I own a Roland TD6 and recently bought Superior Drummer2. Everything's fine, exept for the velocity dynamics on the cymbals. I tried different velocity settings on the TD8, but this makes not much difference. Even at velocity setting 1, I only have to touch the cymbal lightly and I already get quit a loud sound.
Anybody knows how to deal with this? Is there a way to work around the Roland velocity settings and only make use of the velocity settings in Superior Drummer? Or are there some tricks in the Roland module to settle this problem?
If the cymbol sound is working fine within the TD-6, then I would suggest there's a problem with a setting within SD2.
Check the velocity settings for the cymbol sound on the program.
Failing that, adjust the sensitive setting on the TD-6 for the cymbol pad. Setting it hight might help you out, but may reduce the TD-6's own internal sounds, so you might need to adjust them too.
I made a mistake in the post, I refered to a TD-8 module, but I meant the TD-6 (that's the kit I own). Well it doesn't matter, the problem is still the same.
I already adjusted the velocity settings in SD2, but this does not help. I also adjusted the sensitive setting for the cymbal pad, but this does not help ether. Even when I set the velocity setting of the cymbal pad at it's lowest (number 1) I get quite a loud cymbal sound when I barely touch it, in other words it already is very sensitive at this low setting. Another thing is that there's barely any dynamics, no matter what sensivity setting I use for the cymbal sound (hitting soft or hard does not make a lot of difference - and no, setting a different trigger curve does not help either).
By the way, what do you mean by "Setting it high might help you out, but may reduce the TD-6's own internal sounds"? I'm puzzled by this phrase because, when I use Superior Drummer, I make no use of the internal sounds of the TD-6, the pads only trigger the VSTi's in Superior Drummer.
So you are using the TD-6 purely as a MIDI trigger unit.
Well you still may need to adjust the trigger sensitivity with the TD-6.
If it not set correctly it might be sending maxed out velocity signals.
Can you verify the MIDI data using another piece of software - a MIDI sequencer perhaps?
It might be worth plugging a set of headphones into the TD-6 and seeing if the unit's internal sounds also have an over sensitive cymbols. At least then you know you are at the source of your problem.
Perhaps a quick factory reset to the TD-6 will sort out your problem as it would default to the settings Roland designed for the unit to begin with?
Thanks a lot for answering, I have an additional question: you say I may need to adjust the trigger sensitiviy, but as I explained, I already tried out different settings. Or are there other ways to do this in the TD6V?
By the way, do you also have answers for my other post? Would very much appreciate it! Questions are:
1. When I softly hit the edge of the cymbal pads CY-8 I first get the sound of the bow. When I begin to hit it harder, at a certain moment the edge sound takes over.
2. In the module, I cannot seperately set the sensitivity of edge and bow for the cymbals (and also not for rim and center of the pads by the way)
3. When I connect a PD-8 pad to input "tom1" on the module, I get both the rim and center sounds (dual trigger). But when I connect a PD-8x mesh head, which also is a dual trigger pad, I don't get the rim sound.
My question: is this normal, or do have to make different settings on the module?
3. When I connect a PD-8 pad to input "tom1" on the module, I get both the rim and center sounds (dual trigger). But when I connect a PD-8x mesh head, which also is a dual trigger pad, I don't get the rim sound.
3. When I connect a PD-8 pad to input "tom1" on the module, I get both the rim and center sounds (dual trigger). But when I connect a PD-8x mesh head, which also is a dual trigger pad, I don't get the rim sound.
Use the PD80r setting on the module for the PDX8
That won't help with the rim sound. According to Roland, a PDX-8 (or any mesh pad) can't be used for rim sounds on the tom inputs of a TD-6V module: See Page 5 of the PDX-8 manual and Page 34 of the TD-6V manual.
That won't help with the rim sound. According to Roland, a PDX-8 (or any mesh pad) can't be used for rim sounds on the tom inputs of a TD-6V module
Sorry Bruce, but your information is wrong. The blue TD6 module did not support a rim trigger with a seperate sound, but the later black TD6V module did. However, at launch the PDX8 pad was not available so no setting is available in the menus for the PDX8. Therefore from the choices available the correct setting (as it is the most close match) is that ofthe PD80r. Just before the TD6 was discontinued, we made a version called the TD6KX which had all mesh pads. The settings I have advised were the settings advised for this kit.
The blue TD6 module did not support a rim trigger with a seperate sound, but the later black TD6V module did.
True for Toms 2 and 3, but only for rubber pads. (Tom 1 on the blue TD-6 module did support a rim trigger with a separate sound.)
John Sweeney - 04 December 2009 12:47 AM
However, at launch the PDX8 pad was not available so no setting is available in the menus for the PDX8. Therefore from the choices available the correct setting (as it is the most close match) is that ofthe PD80r.
True. But that would only enable the rim for the snare input, not tom inputs. And PD-80R is the default trigger type for the snare on a TD-6V anyway.
John Sweeney - 04 December 2009 12:47 AM
Just before the TD6 was discontinued, we made a version called the TD6KX which had all mesh pads. The settings I have advised were the settings advised for this kit.
The TD-6KX manual includes instructions for rim shots on the PD-105 snare, but not the PD-85 toms.
I don't know why you would choose not to believe the PDX-8 and TD-6V manuals, but please review the following document on your own web site (and available from the TD-6KX Downloads page):
Mesh Pads:
Although the TD-6SX features mesh V-pads for the snare (PD-105) and toms (PD-85 x 3), only the Snare input of the TD-6V Percussion Module has dual trigger capabilities for mesh V-Pads.
In other words, rim triggering is not supported on MESH V-pads when connected to any of the tom inputs on the TD-6V Percussion Module.
Note: When performing a factory reset on the TD-6V, the snare input pad type defaults to PD-80R which will work for the PD-105. The tom inputs default to pad type PD-8. Changing the tom pad type to PD-80R may increase sensitivity of the mesh head pad, but will not support independent rim triggering from mesh head tom pads. TD-6SX/SXT Performance Enhancement Tips
Thanks for your reply. The TD6SX has never been available in the UK. It was made for the American market. However, I have decided to go back to emails received around the time of launch of the TD6KX and can tell you I am wrong!
The TD6V module does support rim triggers with the rubber pads but not the mesh PD85 pads (so not the PDX8 either) I did find an email from Japan giving us the correct settings for a TD6KX which had been factory reset. This indicated the mesh pads would be fine, but in subsequent discussions we found them to be inoperative, unless the trigger type was set to PD8. Even then the triuggering did not work every time.
Hello,
I´m having exactly the same problem as Anko with TD6 and Superior Drummer 2.0. First I was happy to find a thread considering this problem here, but now I´m a bit disappointed because this mystery remains unsolved. Quick factory reset didn´t do much for my setup. Another problem is that the snare hit velocity seems to be bit random time after time too.
Do you guys know if Roland submits some sort of a drivers or setup files (*.xml or something like that) for sequencer programs like Cubase? Maybe if your host program would "know" which hardware device you are using, it´d adjust the velocity and the other stuff correctly?
