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Posted: 01 June 2009 06:17 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Hi all.
A few weeks ago I noticed alot of white powdery dust coming from my bass drum pad (TD12).
On closer inspection I noticed the drum head was nearly worn through.
I took it off to change it and found that nearly half of the foam disc (don't know what it is called)that is directly behind the head, had worn away.
It doesn't seem to be affecting the sound but I wondered if these are replaceable as I can't find any thing in spares that resembles it.
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Posted: 01 June 2009 11:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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I think they are replaceable these 'foam cones'. I think you might have to talk to Roland if you want the genuine parts, as you've found they are very hard to actually source.
Here's an 'OEM version', but it's not UK based:
http://www.ufodrums.com/rolandoemcone.htm


I hope you haven't been using a felt beater on your kick pad, they will eat the mesh.
If you do use a felt beater, I would recommend, once you've fixed the cone, then replaced the head, a kick drum patch / protection dot. Better it eats that than the mesh head.
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Posted: 02 June 2009 05:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Hi S-E-A.
No, that's not the part.
The foam in the bass drum is a disc, 4-5" in diameter and about an inch thick.
Same sort of shape as a wagon wheel but not as tasty grin
All the other pads have the cones that your link shows.
I have a double headed beater, one felt one rubber, not sure which I am using but I will check.
Thanks for the heads up on that, these heads 'aint cheap.
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Posted: 03 June 2009 10:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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hi i had the same problem a few weeks ago, roland uk supplied the foam pad and fixng tape (about £7.00 i think) it took about ten minutes to fix.
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Posted: 04 June 2009 05:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Thanks for that lenhust,
I have just registered the kit with Roland as it is just under two years old, still under warranty.
I'll see what they say about it but for £7 i'm not going to chase them.
Who did you contact? The person I e-mailed at Roland thought the same as S-E-A, that it was one of the cone shaped things.

S-E-A, I was using the felt side of my double headed beaters and have now turned them around to plastic.
And after reading the manual, it does indeed suggest plastic beaters!! OOOpps.
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Posted: 04 June 2009 11:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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You better not mention that last bit...

I too use a felt beater, but have a patch to protect the head.
£7 is very reasonable, lets hope they keep a box full is stock.
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Posted: 06 June 2009 10:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Hi everyone!

As I have mentioned before, we have an excellent spares department at Roland UK HQ in Swansea. You may buy directly from them online, though the full catalogue of spres is not available there. The best thing to do is call 01792702701 and ask for the spares dept. There Steve an Nick will take care of your needs and get out whatever you need, or order it if it is out of stock.

Lewie, please ensure you get any future products registered a bit earlier. All Roland products are supplied with a one year warranty, which you may upgrade to three years (Five years for Boss compact pedals) at no extra charge, just by registering the purchase with Roland. If you wait beyond a year, really your warranty has already expired! Roland will undoubtedly be sympathetic and may register you after this time, but they are not obliged to!

I hope you get your bass drum sorted, and you stop using that felt beater. They can melt their way through the kevlar V-Drum skins. Fortunatley the skins are only about £20 each to replace.
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Posted: 07 June 2009 09:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Hi John.
Thanks for the reply.
Apparently as long as you have the receipt (I have) you can still register for the three year warranty.
I have filled in the online form but there was no provision for attaching a copy of the receipt, I will see what they say.
I will also give the spares a call and see if they have my part in stock, as I said, it isn't affecting the sound so no rush unless they tell me it willdamage something.
As for the felt beater, I am now using the plastic side so all systems go.

While i'm here, there is a light (trigger indicator) that sometimes shows green per strike and sometimes red.
I have gone through the manual and I don't see any mention of why it would be red.
Does this mean the pads are being struck too hard??

Also, I am finding it hard to set up the kit. When I play traditional grip the back end of the stick catches the high hats, i've tried moving the hats as far as I comfortably can.
Anyone else had this problem?
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Posted: 08 June 2009 08:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Hi Lewie,

The lights are an indication of how hard you hit the pads on each stroke. It's not so much that you are hitting the pads too hard, but it is telling you you have reached maximum velocity for the sensitivity, so hitting any harder will not yeald any further expression. You will find most expression available when you are generally subtle with the pads. You can then use the dynamic range of the pad to achieve different elements of sounds within the range available.

Regarding setup, there is no restriction on where you put the pads really. If you need to, you can even use additionial hardware from an acoustic kit to make more space.
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Posted: 08 June 2009 01:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Thanks for the reply John.
That explains the light.
Set up wise, i will just have to keep experimenting, I have no problem when playing match grip but I like to practice both.
Oh well, minor gripe, I will sort it eventually.
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Posted: 10 June 2009 05:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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John Sweeney - 06 June 2009 10:59 PM
I hope you get your bass drum sorted, and you stop using that felt beater. They can melt their way through the kevlar V-Drum skins. Fortunatley the skins are only about £20 each to replace.

Are V-Drums mesh heads really made of Kevlar?

I think it would be mentioned somewhere else if true.

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Posted: 10 June 2009 08:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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Never noticed that bit.
I thought kevlar was pretty strong and was used for bullet proof vests?
Don't let the criminals see this, they will coat their bullets in felt grin
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Posted: 14 June 2009 05:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Yes guys the skins are made of kevlar, as are bullet proof vests. Kevlar is a material which is light and plyable, and is very stong when hit with a blunt thing, like a drum stick etc. However, a bullet-proof vest (made of kevlar) of of no use in a knife attack, or a fire for that matter. Similarly, if you stab the skin on a V-Drum with a knife, it will go straight through.

It is designed for the purpose it was intended, hitting constantly with a drum stick made of wood or nylon, or a beater made of nylon or wood also.

DO NOT USE FELT BEATERS !!!!!
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