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JV 1010 and CC#91 problem. Pls Help
Posted: 15 September 2010 06:33 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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Hello to everyone!

I'm new here. I have a problem killing me for a long time.

I have a JV 1010 which I control with axiom 49. It works super but one little thing that will not work through. It is the Control Change 91 (Reverb Depth) on which my jv 1010 not want to respond.
Specifically responding to everything I want except CC#91 and CC#93. Did I do something wrong. According to the MIDI implementation chart JV can receive MIDI CC # 91 (reverb depth), and CC # 93 (Chorus Depth).

It would be nice if someone would be able to give advice on how to solve this problem.

Thank you in advance.

Maro
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Posted: 15 September 2010 01:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Hello and welcome Maro..


It should indeed respond the CC# 91 - Reverb.

All I can suggest to start with is the usual 'Factory Reset' to see if that clears the problem.
You will lose any user patches, and performances, so if you have anything special in there you will need to save it, and for that you will need an editor program of some sort.
Page 21 of the manual explains how to do a factory reset if you're happy to try it..

I'm wondering if you are already using such a program, and have perhaps turned off the reverb some how.
I've the 2080, same family as the 1010. With the 2080 there are switches with can kill the effects, so I'm wondering if there is a software equivalent with the 1010.
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Posted: 16 September 2010 07:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Thanks for your reply.


I thought same as you that somehow reverb and chorus are generally turned off though I do not use any of the software for editing, because the entire editing work on the Axiom, which has great features for editing.
So, I quickly made a factory reset but unfortunately nothing has happened. My JV continues to respond to all messages except the CC91 and CC93.

Now I noticed another strange thing. JV in GM mode corresponds to the CC91, while in the PATCH mode and performance mode, does not respond to CC messages. But that does not help me anything because I work in patch mode because it sound much better than GM mode, right?
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Posted: 16 September 2010 09:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Well this is very odd..

I've been looking around the Internet with Google to sse if anyone else has had issues with 1010's lack for reverb. Apparently not.

Even stranger when it works fine when in GM mode.

Are you running this through a sequencer / DAW? Could it be sending a "reset all controllers" message?
This would reset any CC messages to a zero state, that said as soon as you send a new CC# 91 /93 message with a new value it should turn reverb / chorus back on.
Do the patches still have reverb / chorus on them?
Does it occur when selecting any of the preset performances (PR-A / PR-B)?
Does this strange behaviour continue if the Axiom 49 is taken out of the set-up?

GM mode has it's uses, but you should be able to squeeze a little more out of the 1010 using patch / performance mode, the MEX insert effects for starters, and being able to pick variations of the sounds instead of the stock GM sounds.

There was / is a system update for the 1010, it's on the Roland UK / US sites, but not on the Roland.com site. I'm able to find out what the update fixes.
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Posted: 17 September 2010 09:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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S-E-A - 16 September 2010 09:48 AM
Well this is very odd..

I've been looking around the Internet with Google to sse if anyone else has had issues with 1010's lack for reverb. Apparently not.


Yes, of course, I also have first asked the good old google, but I have not found anything useful.



S-E-A - 16 September 2010 09:48 AM
Are you running this through a sequencer / DAW? Could it be sending a "reset all controllers" message?
This would reset any CC messages to a zero state, that said as soon as you send a new CC# 91 /93 message with a new value it should turn reverb / chorus back on.
Do the patches still have reverb / chorus on them?.



I use the JV in two ways. Through the DAW, as well as directly from Axiom. I have not sent a message: "reset all controllers" from my DAW, but I'll try to do. Maybe takes effect.
Otherwise, patches and performaces have reverbs and choruses on it but they can not reduce or increase.

S-E-A - 16 September 2010 09:48 AM
Does it occur when selecting any of the preset performances (PR-A / PR-B)?


No matter if it comes to Bank A or Bank B or XPA, JV behaves the same way.

S-E-A - 16 September 2010 09:48 AM
Does this strange behaviour continue if the Axiom 49 is taken out of the set-up?


If I understood well, you suggest that I disconnect Axiom from the midi chain and then to try to control the CC91 from DAW. I am otherwise transmit messages CC91 from Sequencer while the axiom still remained connected to the MIDI chain, but the messages from the sequencer have not given any effect as well as the Axiom.


S-E-A - 16 September 2010 09:48 AM
There was / is a system update for the 1010, it's on the Roland UK / US sites, but not on the Roland.com site. I'm able to find out what the update fixes.


I saw that there is a system update for the JV 1010 in the form of 14 midi file that should be released from the sequencer to the JV. Maybe I should try that.

The conclusion is that I'll try to exlude Axiom from an existing midi chain, then send a message "reset all controllers" from my DAW to JV, and finally, if nothing happens, install a system update in the JV system which can be downloaded from the Roland official site. So we'll see what happens.

Hear you soon.

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Posted: 04 October 2010 07:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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I spent some time these days trying to solve the problem with the CC91 and CC93. First I made a factory reset. Then I took a system upgrade from the official Roland site and conducted the installation. I made a reset all messages from DAW. After this attempt nothing really happened. Whether the JV1010 still does not respond to CC91 and CC93 in the patch mode.
Then I tried to change some settings related to receiving midi commands in JV1010's system and then I realized that JV1010 can receive CC91 in performance mode and GM mode but not in the patch mode. As it usually gets me really need this option in the patch mode. Argh.
So, I am only interested in whether the only my JV has the error, or is it the case with all JV1010?
Do you have any idea about this.
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Posted: 04 October 2010 09:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Only another 1010 owner could confirm this..

Get rid of the "reset all controllers", I was pointing out this would zero all CC's - this is something you really don't want, as it could be setting the reverb, chorus levels to zero.

It's encouraging that it appears to be responding in performance mode, as well as GM mode.
Why it should ignore the messages in patch mode, I don't know, unless it's defaulting to such a state, which I doubt.

We really need another JV-1010 owner to step up to try and confirm or deny if the 1010 in patch mode responds to MIDI CC#91, and CC#93.. So come on where are you?
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Posted: 22 December 2010 08:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Hi!

I have the same issue with my JV-1010 ...

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Posted: 22 December 2010 10:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Pity! confused

No one has found a final solution to this problem. It seems that this could be a fault within the system that is built into JV1010. I would love if someone from Roland confirmed or disproved my hunch.
rolleyes question

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Posted: 22 December 2010 10:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Don't you think we can try to solve that with SysEx messages (or maybe RPN/NRPN's) instead of CC's ?

I'll try to check the MIDI Implementation in the manual and post here if I find anything interesting ... or working !!!
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Posted: 24 December 2010 11:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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I tried already to solve the problem using RPN / NRPN messages. But I have not had any results.

I must admit that the RPN / NRPN messages are for me an advanced area.

Give a try. Maybe you should have a bit more luck with that.

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Posted: 10 February 2011 06:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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Hi everyone !

Here are some SysExes !!! wink

SYSTEM COMMON

MASTER FINE TUNE 440 Hz F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 06 3F 3B F7

EFX SWITCH : OFF F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 08 00 78 F7
EFX SWITCH : ON F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 08 01 77 F7
CHORUS SWITCH : OFF F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 09 00 77 F7
CHORUS SWITCH : ON F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 09 01 76 F7
REVERB SWITCH : OFF F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 0A 00 76 F7
REVERB SWITCH : ON F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 0A 01 75 F7


PATCH REMAIN : OFF F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 0B 00 75 F7
PATCH REMAIN : ON F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 0B 01 74 F7

CLOCK SOURCE : MIDI F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 0C 01 73 F7


VOLUME CONTROL SOURCE : VOL F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 10 00 70 F7
VOLUME CONTROL SOURCE : VOL&EXP;F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 10 01 6F F7

A/T CONTROL SOURCE : CHANNEL F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 11 00 6F F7
A/T CONTROL SOURCE : POLY F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 11 01 6E F7
A/T CONTROL SOURCE : CH&POLY;F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 11 02 6D F7

PREVIEW SOUND MODE : SINGLE F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 1F 00 61 F7
PREVIEW SOUND MODE : CHORD F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 1F 01 60 F7
PREVIEW SOUND MODE : PHRASE F0 41 10 6A 12 00 00 00 1F 02 5F F7

PATCH COMMON

TONE 1 SWITCH : OFF F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 10 00 00 6D F7
TONE 1 SWITCH : ON F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 10 00 01 6C F7
TONE 2 SWITCH : OFF F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 12 00 00 6B F7
TONE 2 SWITCH : ON F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 12 00 01 6A F7
TONE 3 SWITCH : OFF F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 14 00 00 69 F7
TONE 3 SWITCH : ON F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 14 00 01 68 F7
TONE 4 SWITCH : OFF F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 16 00 00 67 F7
TONE 4 SWITCH : ON F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 16 00 01 66 F7

OCTAVE SHIFT : -3 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 00 3C F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : -2 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 01 3B F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : -1 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 02 3A F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : 0 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 03 39 F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : +1 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 04 38 F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : +2 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 05 37 F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : +3 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 06 36 F7

CHORUS LEVEL : 000 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 21 00 5C F7
CHORUS LEVEL : 127 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 21 7F 5D F7

CHORUS RATE : 000 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 22 00 5B F7
CHORUS RATE : 127 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 22 7F 5C F7
CHORUS DEPTH : 000 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 23 00 5A F7
CHORUS DEPTH : 127 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 23 7F 5B F7
CHORUS FEEDBACK :000 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 25 00 58 F7
CHORUS FEEDBACK :127 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 25 7F 59 F7

REVERB LEVEL : 000 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 28 00 55 F7
REVERB LEVEL : 127 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 28 7F 56 F7
REVERB TIME : 000 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 29 00 54 F7
REVERB TIME : 127 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 29 7F 55 F7


PATCH LEVEL : 000 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 2E 00 4F F7
PATCH LEVEL : 127 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 2E 7F 50 F7

ANALOG FEEL : 0% F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 30 00 4D F7
ANALOG FEEL : 100% F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 30 7F 4E F7

P/B DOWN : -48 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 32 30 1B F7
P/B DOWN : -36 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 32 24 27 F7
P/B DOWN : -24 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 32 18 33 F7
P/B DOWN : -12 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 32 0C 3F F7
P/B DOWN : - 2 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 32 02 49 F7
P/B DOWN : - 1 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 32 01 4A F7
P/B DOWN : - 0 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 32 00 4B F7
P/B UP : + 0 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 31 00 4C F7
P/B UP : + 1 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 31 01 4B F7
P/B UP : + 2 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 31 02 4A F7
P/B UP : +12 SEMITONES F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 31 0C 40 F7

OCTAVE SHIFT : -3 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 00 3C F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : -2 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 01 3B F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : -1 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 02 3A F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : 0 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 03 39 F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : +1 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 04 38 F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : +2 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 05 37 F7
OCTAVE SHIFT : +3 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 41 06 36 F7

STRETCH TUNE DEPTH : OFF F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 42 00 3B F7
STRETCH TUNE DEPTH : +1 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 42 01 3A F7
STRETCH TUNE DEPTH : +2 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 42 02 39 F7
STRETCH TUNE DEPTH : +3 F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 42 03 38 F7

CLOCK SOURCE : SYS F0 41 10 6A 12 03 00 00 48 01 34 F7
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