Yes indeed , the MP3 playback would be a nice addition along mp3 time strech and pitch control. But for now the editing features are not a Nice to Have, but a Must have for a device like that. because currently It's like a word processor without Cut and Past. it's almost useless.
Hi, i have searched the owner manuals and I can't find 2 functions that were available in most if not all multi track recorder of that price range.
1) How to bounce tracks?
2) How to copy / paste segment of a track? say copy source measure 4 to 8 to target measure 9.
Well it seems that all the tracks editing features has been forgotten.
The move segment or track is missing
the erase segment is missing.
Is Roland/Boss award of that? I'm a bit disappointed
You can find a discussion thread at this URL
http://www.rolandforums.co.uk/forums/viewthread/1307/
Answer
Greetings / Salutations!,
Thank you for your comments.
On the BOSS BR-800, the functions for multi-track recording, track bouncing, and mastering (as found on other BR recorders as the REC MODE function) has been streamlined to two functions as described below:
1. When creating a new song from the EZ REC menu or working on a current song, the BR-800 will be in normal multi-track mode, allowing recording of up to 4 tracks at once using all 4 inputs.
2. When the MASTERING function has been enabled (as described on Pg. 112-113 of the manual) you are essentially in bounce mode (mixdown) which enables the combining of up to 8 tracks to be bounced to any mono or stereo
V-Track.
Note: By default Tracks 7/8 - VMST (or V-Track 8) is selected as the bounce destination, but you can change this bounce destination to any mono or stereo Track / V-Track by moving the cursor to underline the Track / V-Track and the 'dial' to select the desired Track / V-Track destination.
If you want to use one of the 'Mastering Effects' during this bounce, you can select it as described in Step 6 on Pg. 113, allowing you to 'Bounce' and 'Master' at the same time, eliminating the need for two seperate processes. If you wish to keep these processes seperate, you can simply not use the mastering effect at mixdown time by skipping Steps 6 through 8 on Pg. 113.
Since the BR-800 includes SONAR 8.5 LE software plus the 'Wave Converter' software, the START, END, TO and FROM track editing functions of former BR recorders has been moved over to SONAR LE since it provides the graphical waveform views that make editing tracks faster and easier. This product enhancement was based on our market feedback from many loyal BR customers.
If you find the need to immediately erase a segment of a track after recording or punching in/out, you can use the RETRY (Pg. 40) or UNDO (Pg. 48) functions.
Note: The functions for copying and erasing an entire track, plus importing a 'Song Sketch' .WAV recording are still available on the BR-800.
I was just trying to copy/paste a track segment, and couldn't figure out how. I knew I could do it on my MIcro BR and BR-600, but I couldn't find it on my fancy new BR-800. So I searched and found this thread, and now I'm very upset. I've been loving this thing the little I've been using it, but to discover this basic, yet CRUCIAL functionality missing... *sigh*. It's truly heartbreaking.
I couldn't have imagined, after using the other BRs, that there would be any reason to return the BR-800, but I don't see an alternative. Forcing me to use a PC DAW is an unacceptable and ridiculous workaround. They shouldn't be able to get away with calling this a portable recorder after chaining us to a computer like they have.
It's an otherwise beautiful piece of recording tech, but crippled like it is, it's worthless to me. :(
If you want to edit tracks, Use your PC!!!!!! I'm sorry but this is not acceptable. I will probably return the unit to buy a Zoom R16.
From what I can see in the manual, the Zoom R16 has the same problem. You can copy or delete entire tracks (just as you can with the BR-800), but you can't edit sections of a track without the aid of a computer.
If you want to edit tracks, Use your PC!!!!!! I'm sorry but this is not acceptable. I will probably return the unit to buy a Zoom R16.
From what I can see in the manual, the Zoom R16 has the same problem. You can copy or delete entire tracks (just as you can with the BR-800), but you can't edit sections of a track without the aid of a computer.
That is correct. I had the same thought as you and bought the R16, but it also lacks track editing capability and also limits you as far as track assignment (you can't plug into input 1 and then assign that input to track 8; it seems to be a 1:1 input-track relationship). It makes it difficult if you want to do 8 tracks on your own. It seems to be designed only for use when you have multiple things you want to record at the same time.
I moved to the Tascam DP008 (I tried the DP02 first; it was just too big and I didn't need a CD burner). The Tascams still allow you to do track editing. The only drawback of the DP008 is that you can only use time view; there's no bars/beats view. The DP02 has both views.
It's an otherwise beautiful piece of recording tech, but crippled like it is, it's worthless to me. :(
Maybe you guys should re-read his statement. Or re-evaluate what you're talking about and think for a second. The BR 800 A-U-T-O-M-A-T-I-C-A-L-L-Y bounces all your tracks to stereo or individual as mono when in mastering mode (the preview you listen to is the "song" on stereo tracks, which default to track 7/8, Virtual track 8)
Sooo - what purpose does copying/pasting serve when you can simply start recording the part you want to paste at the point you want to use it?? It's a more streamlined process on the BR-800, and if you have a part you want to trim/edit you can use the auto-punch in or scrub feature.
I'm totally not getting your concern here. I was able to get the same exact effect as I did copying pasting on the Micro BR as I do the BR-800, but with less button pushing and searching for time/measure lines.
I saw your review on Musicians Friend, BTW, which is why I'm here. It was a very disingenuous review, since the copy/paste feature simply requires different functions (and fewer of them) to get the same result, and IMO I think you should see about having it removed.
And if you really wanna cut and paste (for no reason) you can use the software - but if you're getting the same result as not, I don't see why you would want to.
I mean, you're just pasting parts you've already recorded, right? lol. So it's easy - it's called auto punch. And if you don't like a part you can or want to edit, there's a feature we call s-c-r-u-b, which is a LOT more exact (down to 1 millisecond) than a clumsy copy/paste, which usually sounds choppy and amateurish, and is limited to an exact beat in the measure.
You really ought to think these things through when posting bogus reviews on major dealer sites.
Doug, I'll forgive your insulting, condescending post, since you clearly misread or failed to understand something here. Bouncing is not the same as track editing. Scrub is not the same as track editing.
Please tell me how I would, for example, record 4 bars and then copy/paste it 12 times on the same track, AND, as you say, do it in less steps than on previous BRs, and without a computer.
While you're thinking that through (and when you tell me how, I'll retract that review and go get the BR-800 again), please note that when I contacted Roland by phone about this issue the first time, the tech at first told me, "Oh, that function works the same as it did in the other BRs," and was surprised himself when he went to try it on the BR-800 and look it up in the manual and discovered that it was gone. Also note that the second time I contacted them (a couple of days later) they told me they already had a request in to Japan for them to add the feature back in. So Roland themselves (at least the US guys) agree that this was an oversight.
While you may not use a feature (you must be part of that market research group), that doesn't mean it doesn't serve an important purpose to others. Please keep that on mind before posting things like this.
There's nothing inaccurate about my review. As I said, other than that missing feature, it's a great piece of hardware.
Supernaught360 AKA Doug
Me too I’m interested to know in details your simple procedure for
1) copy / past segment
2) Erase segment
3) move segment procedure.
4) Insert segment
Doug, I'll forgive your insulting, condescending post, since you clearly misread or failed to understand something here. Bouncing is not the same as track editing. Scrub is not the same as track editing.
Please tell me how I would, for example, record 4 bars and then copy/paste it 12 times on the same track, AND, as you say, do it in less steps than on previous BRs, and without a computer.
Easy: Use the song sketch feature.
a.) set the metronome to the time signature you want
b.) record your 4 bars
c.) import it as many times as you like to whatever track(s)/time(s)/measure(s)you want.
I'm quite fluent with the Micro BR, and this is in fact fewer steps, just by virtue of not having to repeatedly select the part you want to duplicate.
In fact, you can make a whole song using the song sketch feature and stacking parts til your hearts content on whatever tracks/times/measures you like. After that, it's just a matter of a.) programming patterns in a custom arrangement, or b.) adding/programming your own custom patterns for a custom arrangement with the rhythm editor.
I just did this for an arrangement I'm working on because I didn't feel like re-recording the chorus 3 times. I just recorded the chorus on song sketch instead of a track.
Also: I never said anything about bouncing being the same as track editing, I was just making the point that it bounces (automatically, I have to repeat) to stereo tracks when you do your final mixdown/master, which saves steps from previous BR's.
Everyone tasks differently when recording. Some like to lay down a rhythm arrangement first, some like to get the music down on metro first, etc. But either way, I fail to see what difference it makes if you're using the song sketch, or a track, since they both amount to the same thing: a bank for storing a sound that can be manipulated in any fashion you want.
I'm missing something in your reply, I think. If I use song sketch the way you suggest, how do I get rid of the extra time at the beginning/end of the 4 bars I recorded (the time needed to start/stop the recording)? I mean, with a footswitch attached, I could get those 4 bars recorded more accurately without having to take the time to reach for the buttons, but that extra purchase was never required before.
Also, your proposed solution doesn't save any time/steps whatsoever in the scenario I gave you. On the previous BRs, I could record my 4 bars, select the beginning/end points, and paste it 12 times.
I'd also like to hear your response to carignan's questions about moving/inserting/erasing segments.
a.) set the metronome to the time signature you want
b.) record your 4 bars
c.) import it as many times as you like to whatever track(s)/time(s)/measure(s)you want.
Maybe i'm a bit idiot but how / where can i import song sketch to Multi track song? Where is the menu or manipulation?
After being very pleased with the BR-600 and it's internal editing capabilities, I am very disappointed with the BR-800. Although the Rowland engineers did streamline certain functions in the 800, the fact that I cannot grab precise timecode ins and outs and drop them to other tracks kills it for me. With my 600, if I wish to edit in my PC I can but I have the option to edit internally also. The 800 takes away this choice.
The engineering department dropped the ball on this one.
After being very pleased with the BR-600 and it's internal editing capabilities, I am very disappointed with the BR-800. Although the Rowland engineers did streamline certain functions in the 800, the fact that I cannot grab precise timecode ins and outs and drop them to other tracks kills it for me. With my 600, if I wish to edit in my PC I can but I have the option to edit internally also. The 800 takes away this choice.
The engineering department dropped the ball on this one.
Yes indeed, we are all waiting for a firmware from Boss that will fix this Bug. i have seen on a YouTube comments that Boss is working on fix and it as been confirmed but the source of the information is somewhat obscure and none official. If only someone here from Boss/Roland could confirm that a fix is coming soon that will make my day.
the comments that mention a upcoming firmware can be found here:
