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Posted: 01 June 2010 05:34 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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hello
i did not use this roland keyboards since ages [ fp8 digital piano ]
and do not remember how to set it

i 'm trying to root the keyb via midiman > USB converter
the midiman converter do not receive any signals !!!!!!
schould i set something on the keybrds

any light will be appreciated .

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Posted: 02 June 2010 12:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Routing what:
Audio?
MIDI?

Need to know what the midiman converter is..
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Posted: 02 June 2010 02:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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oups !

routing midi > all channel > midiman uno > usb > sibelius 5


midiman uno i presume nothing written its a plastic box 1 midi out 1 midi in out usb
3 light by the way the light do not highlight .

? do i need a speciaal drivers for this ?

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Posted: 02 June 2010 02:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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midiman have now become m audio..

I thinks this is the device in question:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Uno.html

There are indeed drivers available, so worth downloading and trying out.
I would recommend backing up the drivers if they work.

Another thing about these interfaces with cables, the MIDI in should be plugged into your MIDI out of the keyboard, and the MIDI out of the cable into the MIDI in of your keyboard (not required if you only want to send data from the keyboard, and not control the keyboard from the computer).
It's not uncommon for people to think the in goes to the keyboard in, and vice versa.

Let me know how you get on..
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Posted: 03 June 2010 08:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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hello

banzai ! working ! thanks .

now !

on this modele fp8 is there a way to not transmit infos via midi
and use the piano local sound only .
but still usb connected
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Posted: 03 June 2010 09:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Nice one..
So MIDI is now flowing.

ow your new query, is it possible to use the piano without sending MIDI..
Well, not really, if it's MIDI out is connected, it will send on at least one MIDI channel.

As I'm not quite sure what you mean, are you saying the piano isn't working (making a sound) unless MIDI is connected (in & out)? If so that means the local control is turned to off, and need to be set to on.

Selecting local control mode:

1) Press function (indicator will light)
2) Press mode (indicator will light)
3) Use variation buttons to select required mode (1 - 4)
4) Press function to exit (goes back to tone mode)

Modes;
1 = Local on : Chorus/Reverb send off: Program change off
2 = Local off: Chorus/Reverb send off: Program change off
3 = Local on : Chorus/Reverb send on : Program change on
4 = Local off: Chorus/Reverb send on : Program change on

default / powered on state is mode 1.
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Posted: 03 June 2010 10:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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all working thanks a lot
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Posted: 04 June 2010 06:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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hello

where can i get the list of midi message for ex / chorus / reverb / ect
to be abble to write it on the score .
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Posted: 04 June 2010 07:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Here is a link to the manual, perhaps this will help.

ftp://ftp.roland.co.uk/ProductSupport/FP-8/

Page 28 has the MIDI implementation chart, and show what MIDI messages the FP-8 sends, and can receive.
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Posted: 05 June 2010 06:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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thanks

but the manual does not tell me witch midi message i schould write on
in the score to send ex a reverb commande .

page 28 its written control change > 91 reverb ?
page 30 its written control change > 91 e piano 2 + xylophone ?

none working with midi message written on score !
is it possible to do so ?
i work with virtual instrments on sibelius soft
and i don't know nothing about midi

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Posted: 05 June 2010 07:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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MIDI control change or continuous controller (CC) messages are used to control various functions such as volume, and in your case reverb level. It is CC#91.
So if your FP-8 is set to receive on MIDI channel 1 the message, or command as you out it would be:

event 00:01:00 CH 1 CC 91 value 80

The value is the amount of reverb, 0 = off, 127 = maximum.

Page 30 lists the program change messages required to set the FP-8 up to play.
So if you sent a program change message # 1 you FP-8 would be ready to play the Piano 1 sound, just as if you had pressed the button on the front panel.
Like wise, sending program change 15, would select Strings 2.
91 selects E Piano 2 with Xylophone.

The Virtual instruments within Sibelius may use a different program change numbering system, I suspect using the General MIDI (GM) format.
I know very little about Sibelius..

I think reverb will be controlled separately, not written within the score, as reverb is recreating the ambient space the music is being played in.
Not something an orchestra has control over in a real world environment.
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Posted: 06 June 2010 07:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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midi message on sibelius is written like that
ex contol 91 , full

sibelius mid message format ~C91,127

roland midi message format cc#91 value 127

so how do i translate

and i still do nit undestand the number 91 for two controler instrument AND reverb
93 chorus

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Posted: 06 June 2010 09:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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So are you saying Sibelius only allows controller messages to be full on. There is no half, no off?

The message format should work, no matter how it is written.
Even the sustain (C64) is a controller.. but only has two actual values.
0-63 - sustain = off. 64-127 sustain = on.

Pan (C10): 0 - hard left, 63 - centre, 127 - hard right, the amount of stereo pan is determined by how low is is for left, or how hight it is for right.

You are still confusing controller messages with program change messages.
Program change / patch change / registry - call it what you will are completely separate from controller messages.
They can appear as 'PC' or 'PRG' on MIDI event lists, and will have a number with them ranging from 0 to 126 (or 1 to 127 depending on who's MIDI interpretation you listen to).


I believe Sibelius can import / export to standard MIDI files (SMF's) perhaps viewing them on another MIDI sequencer package might clarify things.
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